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How to Pass a Healthcare Bill Fast

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We continue to be fooled by phony political bickering. It is thrown at us from the left and the right. And all the while, the worst enemy is the man passing out checks and favors to politicians. He robs U.S. and never raises his hand except to sign a check. But when did you begin yelling? And what did you think McCain would do to improve anything? And do you really think that Sarah Palin has something to offer us but more lies from a different direction?

IF you are talking to me, you are way off base in assuming that I fall into the right-left, lesser of two evil, neoconservative/progressive liberal, polarization trap.

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But when did you begin yelling, r-r?

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Jpb honey, you don't have to yell. People generally are only going to believe what they want to and are not going to listen if they don't want to hear. I've been talking about this for years, even on the dj forums. Perhaps this may be one reason why I now cannot comment on dj news stories. They claim to look into why my logins fail. I'm still waiting....

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According to every comment ever uttered by jpb, you either believe his bullshit, or you're a neo-con limpball.  Never met anyone in my life that was so infatuated with Rush's balls.  We know he listens to Rush more than anyone on this forum, and he has a hard on for his balls.

It's obvious he's jealous of neo-cons, he's jealous of their politics and even more jealous of their balls.

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What JPB defines as Bush's redistribution of wealth upward, is the normal business model where a person, or entity, invests a huge amount of time and money into an idea, hires workers, pays them for their services, and makes a profit. To jpb, that is stealing from the workers.

Now, I read, that jpb wants to give money to the middle class and let those who want to get wealthy go out and work for it. Mater has already addressed the "give money" part so I will address the rest: What jpb leaves out is that once those middle class go out and work to achieve wealth, he wants the government to seize that wealth and give it to a new set of middle class. How long do you think it will take the middle class to catch on?

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It's amazing so many are such suckers for the neo conservative propaganda. People who will never in their lives earn enough money to get over the FICA cut off threashold continue to fall hook line and sinker for the BS rhetoric. IT'S JUST SO VERY AMAZING.

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I'd bet dust bunnies amaze you, too, jpb. Oh how they float....

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Howard Dean On Health Care: "This Is A Form Of Redistribution"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ … ution.html

Your entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts......Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynahan

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Inside the Pelosi Sausage Factory by Kimberly A. Strassel

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB1 … DEyWj.html

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Greenspan on Heath Care Costs: Severe Consequences if CBO is Wrong

April 04, 2010 11:09 AM

Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan told me the probability that the CBO was too rosy in its projections of health care costs is “much higher than we would like”.  “You have to ask yourself, ‘What happens if we are wrong?’”, Greenspan said in my exclusive “This Week” interview.   The consequences, he ominously warned, “are very severe”.

TAPPER:  The president signed massive health care reform legislation
into law a few weeks ago.  You have expressed concern about the
legislation, as it was making its way through the process, about whether
or not it did enough to contain costs.  What did you think about the
final legislation?  Does it contain costs enough?

    GREENSPAN:  Well, the CBO, incidentally, Congressional Budget
Office, which is really a first-rate operation, says that it does.  The
problem is not their estimates, but the range of potential error in
those estimates.

    And when you're dealing with an economy in which debt is becoming --
federal debt is becoming ever increasingly a problem, it strikes me that
when you're dealing with public policy and you're in a position where
you have to ask yourself, "What happens if we are wrong?"

    In other words, in the case now, where our buffer between our
capacity to borrow and our actual debt is narrowing, for the first time,
I think, in the American history, there's a question, supposing we are
wrong on the cost estimates, and, indeed, they are actually much higher
than the best estimates can generate, the consequences are very severe,
whereas if they are too high, it's very easy to adjust.

    So I think it's -- it's -- there's an issue over and above the
question of what's the best cost estimate.  There's a policy strategy
here which I think requires us to lean in an ever more conservative area
with respect to judging...

    TAPPER:  So it might have been too rosy, the projections, you're saying?

    GREENSPAN:  Possibly.  I don't know that.  But I do know that the
probability that it might be is much higher than we would like.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch … wrong.html

Your entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts......Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynahan

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Anyone with a lick of sense knows you can't spend trillions of dollars without it costing anyone anything.

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JPB isn't the only one confused about getting "free" health insurance. I found this story this morning:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/06/9 … -mass.html

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Questions reflecting confusion have flooded insurance companies, doctors' offices, human resources departments and business groups.

"They're saying, 'Where do we get the free Obama care, and how do I sign up for that?' " said Carrie McLean, a licensed agent for eHealthInsurance.com. The California-based company sells coverage from 185 health insurance carriers in 50 states.

McLean said the call center had been inundated by uninsured consumers who were hoping that the overhaul would translate into instant, affordable coverage. That widespread misconception may have originated in part from distorted rhetoric about the legislation bubbling up from the hyper-partisan debate about it in Washington and some media outlets, such as when opponents denounced it as socialism.

"We tell them it's not free, that there are going to be things in place that help people who are low-income, but that ultimately most of that is not going to be taking place until 2014," McLean said.


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"They're saying, 'Where do we get the free Obama care, and how do I sign up for that?' " said Carrie McLean, a licensed agent for eHealthInsurance.com.

Color me not surprised.  Everyone 's already looking for the guvmint handout.  This just pisses me off.  How in the hell this country has survived without free healthcare is just mind boggling I tell you.  I mean before the second coming we were just a third world shit stain on the map right?  Now we have free healthcare, or won't until 2014, and suddenly we are spreading the wealth around to everyone, the sun shines brighter, the birds sing their Obama prasies louder.  Jesus sheds a tear everytime Obama opens his mouth.  Hookers won't get venereal diseases anymore, and if they do, no big deal, we'll pay for their treatment, meth addicts, don't have to worry about oral hygiene, most don't anyway, but those that do, they can say, "Ahh, screw it, I've got free healthcare, they'll (TAXPAYERS) fix my teeth and gums."

Yep, socialist healthcare will sure help the poor, and all the while, the middle class will pay for it.

And just look what happened in Great Britain yesterday, they passed a 50% tax on the wealthy.... I'll bet our new Christ and Sister Pelosi cannot WAIT to enact that here, and you know who their cheerleader will be, right from this very forum???

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Did anybody catch this?  Sen. Max Bauchus (D) calls the healthcare bill what it is.... "an income shift."  We already knew this.



Why anyone would subscribe to this crap is beyond me, but here's a very great audio rant that puts this "rationale" into perspective.

http://townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPl … 74add2ecc6

And note his use of the word "dunderhead"  has anyone on this forum ever use that word to describe someone else on this forum's incessant belief in this garbage?  I wonder who would EVER use such a word?  Hmmmm....

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The headlines this morning are that 47% of Americans either don't pay ANY federal income tax or actually get more back than they paid in. The country can't survive with half the people riding the wagon. It kind of blows a big ole hole in jpb's theory that the rich are getting a free ride.

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